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Finally I finished it. I was curious about how the pern dragons have grown over the years. This are the DLG Sizes in feet but recalculated in meter because I'm german and in german we use meters.  I did the dragon's sketch in january. I'm not very pleased with the dragons but I wanted something simple because I don't like coloring. It took me really long to finish the coloration of one of the dragons. Actually I planed to do it with all Dragons on one size picture looking different and with more details but then I remembered that I would have to color it and well then this came out. And I wanted to give them a horse-like look because Anne McCaffrey mentioned they would look more horse like but I'm not really good in drawing horses, so... <_<'''' Oh and it's in german speech. Above it says Dragon Size Overview at the x'th pass of the red star. and below there ist maximum and minimum size. While doing it I decided that it would be nice for my small little german weyr. Yes my weyr. I'm working on it since last autumn. More detail might come in my next journal post. The Humans are 1,75 meters. Don't know how much this is in feet and inch. On the last picture I included Ruth. He has a shoulder height of 1,60 m. I looked a bit around and a lot of horses seemed to be around this size. So I think this will come close to the mentioned size in the books. German translation: Achtung! Groß! Durch klicken auf Download kommt ihr zu einer größeren Ansicht. Ich habs endlich fertig. Ich wollte wissen wie sich die Drachen auf Pern über die Jahre entwickelt haben. Dieses Bild zeigt die Drachen in den Feet-Maßen des DLG allerdings wieder umgerechnet in Meter. Weil ich mit Metern besser umgehen kann als mit Fuß. Die Skizze des Drachen habe ich im Januar gemacht. Ich bin nicht wirklich glücklich mit den Drachen, aber ich wollte etwas einfaches weil ich nicht so gerne coloriere. Es hat ziemlich lange gedauert bis ich einen der Drachen coloriert hatte. Eigentlich hatte ich geplant jeden Drachen anders aussehen zu lassen und mit mehr Details aber dann fiel mir das colorieren wieder ein und naja jetzt sieht es halt so aus. Und ich wollte die etwas pferde-ähnlicher aussehen lassen weil Anne McCaffrey meinte das sie mehr danach aussehen. Ich bin nicht so gut im Pferde zeichnen, von daher.... <_<''' Während ich an den Bilder gebastelt habe, kam mir der Gedanke das es auch ganz gut in meinen kleinen deutsch-sprachigen Weyr passen würde. Ich arbeite da seit Ende letzten Herbst dran. Mehr Details dazu wird es in meinem nächsten Journal geben. Die Menschen sind 1,75 m. Auf dem letzten Bild habe ich Ruth hinzugefügt. Er hat eine Schulterhöhe von 1,60 m. Ich denke das passt zu den Angaben zu den Büchern, denn bei meiner Recherche waren doch viele Pferde etwa so groß. For all that are interested in my weyr / Für alle die an meinem Weyr interessiert sind: West Weyr For all who like to play pern rpg in english language: Evergen Weyr All dragonrider of pern related stuff is copyrighted by Anne McCaffrey |
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*sich allerdings fragt, ob eine Grüne/ein Blauer das Gewicht eines Menschen beim 1. und 2. Erscheinen des roten Sterns hätte tragen können*
Die sind so irreklein xD
Aber hübsche Übersicht!
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We should be glad if we don't get what we deserve
Ich hab da schon die Vorversion gesehen und die Endversion finde ich richtig Hammer.
Also ich finde schon, dass dir die Drachen gelungen sind auch wenn sie sich halt nicht voneinander unterscheiden. Das Bild ist sehr informativ und das zählt.
Ach ja danke für die Deutsche Übersetzung, sonst hätte ich mir ne Lupe gesucht *g*
Klasse Bild
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I was here *g*
Naja und Ruth kann immer hin 4 oder 5 ... ich glaub es waren 4 Menschen tragen obwohl er so klein ist. Gut er hat etwa die Größe einer der ersten Goldenen aber wenn man das runterrechnet und berücksichtigt das ich meine Drachen bevorzugt was schlanker mache (also nicht so kräftig) dann klappt das vielleicht schon. ^^
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hm... ich meine ich hätte meine Texte hier immer übersetzt. *grübelt*
Mach weiter so Schwesterchen *Stolz auf seine große Schwester ist* *g*
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I'm pretty much in agreement with you on these sizes, except for a couple things - in the first Pass, all the dragons were very similar in size, they didn't have the same ratios as later on, because a green dragon in the 1st Pass, if half the size of a gold as is the case with dragons later on, they would be far too small to ride.
And it's commonly believed, although nowhere is it explicitly stated, only through inference, that dragons reached their consistent size by the 6th Pass at the latest. Then by the 9th Pass their size skyrocketed, likely due to inbreeding because of only one Weyr. Toric commented that Mnementh was almost twice the size of any oldtimer bronze, (though this could be exaggeration from surprise) and that was only a 400 year gap. If they had been steadily increasing in size at that rate, the 1st Pass dragons would have been minuscule.
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I saw your Charts. I like them very much.
As I saw you used the sizes mentioned in the Moreta Book (at least in the german version of the books) in the DLG there is no overlap at the bronze's and brown's sizes. (Even though I think they'll surely overlap at the borders.)
For my charts I used the DLG sizes just in feet.
I'm not sure what's right there (Moreta or DLG Sizes).
Where do you found out about the 1st Pass sizes? I wondered about that as well but decided to do it like above because I'm nearly sure that in one of the books was said that the first greens wouldn't have been ridable and that they were happy they finally could use them in thread fall even if they need to switch very often.
Maybe I have that wrong in mind. By time I'll try to find the lines where I read it.
At the moment I'm reworking that chart because of the Benden Dragons. I left them out in my calculations. What means that my Charts above are wrong because the true 9th Pass dragons are the Benden ones and they are bigger.
In DLG it is said that Ramoth is 45 Meters long while Queens are between 42 and 38 Meters.
Toric's comment was surely exaggeration. The size difference is clearly visible but I don't think Bendens are that much bigger.
When I recalculate everything (of course in feet (and switched back in meters because I can handle that better...)) it fit greatly. In my new calcualtion Ramoth would be a bit bigger then a medium sized 9th Pass Queen. The other sizes would fit to the dragons of the 8th Pass + ca. 50 Turns. That would fit as the oldtimes came to the 9th Pass at the 8th Pass end.
I think, I'll exchange the charts above with the new version when I'm finished with it.
Sadly nowhere is said when they should stop growing. I really would like to have some more clear details from the author herself.
My explanation for the difficulties in scale involving Ramoth with the information in the back of Moreta is this: it says that golds get up to 45 meters/feet, however, this book took place in Moreta's time obviously, so Ramoth did not yet exist. These sizes must refer to those in the 6th Pass, which are assumed to be the maximum size that Kitti Ping programmed. The 9th Pass dragons got MUCH larger than this, so Ramoth would not be 45 feet, but more like 60-65, which makes the scaling easier to make sense of, while still keeping in canon.
I don't think that there is any hard proof for that bit about the First Pass, just inference. It would be a HUGE waste of resources to have green dragons (the most numerous of all, they make up half the dragon population) unridable until many generations had passed, when absolutely EVERY dragon was needed. It makes more sense for Kitti to have programmed all the dragons to be more or less the same size to start off with, while the upper colors got larger eventually. Greens would not likely have grown much at all over the course of Pernese history, until the 9th Pass when inbreeding made just about all the dragons freakishly large, with Ramoth and Mnementh the largest of all.
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Oh, that's an interessting point I haven't thought about yet. But well ... It's not really mentioned for which time the moreta Sizes are. It's a word explaination. At the end there is also a timetable showing all passes, so who knows.
Nonetheless... as far as I know PNA (DNA of pernese creatures) is hard to ehm.... word... change? Pernese don't mutate or only very very seldom. So I don't think the Benden dragons would mutate that big.
hm... just looked something up. There had been flying green rider in the 1st pass.
Is there are somewhere a mention about how big humans on Pern are?
If they are smaller the green thing might be no problem.
Pern also has a different gravity.
There are so many things you have to think about while calculating. *ponders if she had to recalculate everything again*
Ruth was able to carry 4 people, right? Shouldn't a smaller green be able to carry one rider then? As far as I know dragons are a bit stronger built then horses.
*feels the need to reread everything again*
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